{"id":2599,"date":"2024-04-04T19:30:00","date_gmt":"2024-04-04T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/?p=2599"},"modified":"2026-01-25T15:19:47","modified_gmt":"2026-01-25T15:19:47","slug":"cut-outs-and-queen-marking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/?p=2599","title":{"rendered":"Cut-outs and Queen Marking"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style>\r\nh2, h3, h4 {color: green;}\r\n\r\n.maxwidth {\r\n  max-width: 800px;\r\n  margin: auto;\r\n}\r\n\r\n.image-container12 {display: flex; flex-wrap: wrap; justify-content: center; align-items: center;} \r\n.card12 { padding: 5px; display: inline-block; } \r\n.card12 > p { font-size: small; color: green; text-align: center;} \r\n.card12 > img {border-radius: 5px; }\r\n\r\n<\/style>\r\n<div class=\"maxwidth\">\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Stan and Mike\u2019s Cut-out Video + Nick and John\u2019s \u2018To Clip or Not to Clip\u2019<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">April meeting, held at Kilmington Village Hall. 30+ attendees.<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The evening started with Stan Wroe and Mike Jones giving an illustrated description of their bee cut-out adventure. Stan was originally alerted to bees going in and out of a large out-building by the owners in February 2021, and decided to attempt a cut-out in late March before the established colony grew too big. Mike was a novice beekeeper at the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Stan outlined his approach to both the property owner and the way he and Mike had planned and prepared for the event. The owner was made aware that there may be some damage to the fabric of the building and it would be his responsibility to carry out repairs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The kit consisted of a National brood box with empty frames to fasten the cut-out pieces of comb into, a large sheet to spread on the ground, a large number of rubber bands, and a small panel saw to cut the comb pieces to size. Just in case, they took a spare nuc box with more empty frames plus more rubber bands. The tools included hammers, chisels, screw drivers, Stanley knife and saw, to facilitate opening-up the building.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"image-container12\">\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Kit\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-01-kit.png\" alt=\"Kit\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">Prepare kit<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"More kit\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-02-kit.png\" alt=\"More kit\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">More kit<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Remove planks\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-03-expose.png\" alt=\"Remove planks\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Remove planks<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Good progress\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-04-expose.png\" alt=\"Good progress\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Good progress<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"1st glimpse\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-05-1st-glimpse.png\" alt=\"1st glimpse\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">1st glimpse<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The images show the stages of the operation. They are taken from the video that was recorded by Mike\u2019s wife, Julie, who had never seen inside a bee hive before or worn a suit and veil. She very bravely got up close to the bees, and was thoroughly fascinated by it all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"image-container12\">\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"The nest\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-06-the-nest.png\" alt=\"The nest\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">The nest<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Start cut-out\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-07-start-cutting.png\" alt=\"Start cut-out\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">Start cut-out<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Section of comb\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-08-cut-comb.png\" alt=\"Section of comb\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Section of comb<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Transfer to frame\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-09-transfer.png\" alt=\"Transfer to frame\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Transfer to frame<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"In brood box\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-10-brood-box.png\" alt=\"In brood box\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">In brood box<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the most part, the bees were well behaved. This certainly made life easier for Mike who was responsible for fastening the comb pieces into the frames. Stan also cut out some clean pieces of comb for the owner\u2019s son, aged about 10, who had taken a keen interest in the operation. He took the comb and some video clips to school and was able to give a short presentation to his class.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"image-container12\">\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Honey comb\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-11-honey.png\" alt=\"Honey comb\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">Honey comb<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Brood comb\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-12-brood.png\" alt=\"Brood comb\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">Brood comb<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Comb secured\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-13-comb-secure.png\" alt=\"Comb secured\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Comb secured<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Transfer to hive\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-14-comb-secure.png\" alt=\"Transfer to hive\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 250px;\">Transfer to hive<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Comb sample\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-18-comb.png\" alt=\"Comb sample\" width=\"141\" height=\"250\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 141px;\">Comb sample for son<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When the brood box was full, the bees could be seen fanning at the hive entrance, indicating that they had probably managed to save the queen, although no one had spotted her during the transfer. The new hive was transported to Mike\u2019s apiary, where it recovered from the ordeal and thrived. It turned out to be a good tempered and moderately productive colony.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"image-container12\">\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Job done!\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-15-done.png\" alt=\"Job done!\" width=\"400\" height=\"225\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 400px;\">Job done!<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Bees fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-16-Naz.png\" alt=\"Bees fanning\" width=\"225\" height=\"225\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 225px;\">Bees fanning<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Nest site cleaned up\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-17-cleaned.png\" alt=\"Nest site cleaned up\" width=\"400\" height=\"225\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 400px;\">Nest site cleaned up<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<div class=\"card12\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Transfer to apiary\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Stan-19-apiary.png\" alt=\"Transfer to apiary\" width=\"400\" height=\"225\">\r\n<p style=\"max-width: 400px;\">Transfer to apiary<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Stan\u2019s take-home message to new beekeepers:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Volunteer to help swarm collectors &#8211; you&#8217;ll be surprised how much of what you learn on the beginner&#8217;s course stands you in good stead.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Swarm collectors are often happy to have an eager volunteer help them.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Interaction with the public is a great way of explaining how bees live &#8211; you already know so much more about bees than they do.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">To Clip or Not to Clip<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nick started the discussion by using a quote from Professor Tom Seeley:<br>87% of wild colonies attempt to swarm every year.<br>Of these swarms, only 23% will survive the winter.<br>In other words, expect your bees to swarm, and the quality of caught swarms can be very variable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Basic facts<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is possible for an unclipped queen to swarm 4 days after you last inspected the colony! However, with a clipped queen you will have a minimum of 11 days before a swarm can emerge successfully. You will have lost your original queen, but you will not have lost your honey crop.<br><br>This means you can do fewer inspections, requiring less work, or you can have more colonies using the same amount of work.<br>Either way, it is less risky building up powerful production colonies, which should give more honey per unit of time and effort.<br><br>By going down the clipping route you avoid nuisance swarms and the need to collect them, and you will improve your handling skills, something that is required for the General Husbandry assessment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nick likened beekeeping to a spectrum from wild bees on one side to bee farmers on the opposite side. Where you fit onto the spectrum depends on your aims, how many colonies you have, and your skill level.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">John took the view that if you wish to mark and\/or clip then you should make sure you can achieve your aim without harming or endangering your bees. He related three anecdotes concerning apiary demonstrations by experienced beekeepers that had gone wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Marker pen flooding<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Too much ink will clog the spiracles, and possibly cover eyes, antennae and mouth parts. The queen is unlikely to survive. Always check the pen before use and shake off any surplus ink before approaching the queen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Queen goes into \u2018shock\u2019<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Clipping the queen\u2019s wing can sometimes cause \u2018shock\u2019 symptoms, such as quivering. If this happens, keep the queen warm and return her to the brood box as soon as she recovers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Queen flies off<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If this happens, stay still, don\u2019t move equipment and wait until she (hopefully) returns. Close the hive when she does. Why does it happen? A newly mated queen can still fly strongly, so wait until your new queen is laying well before attempting to mark or clip.<br><br>A show of hands suggested the majority of the audience did not clip queens.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"575\" src=\"http:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Clip-bee-wing-1024x575.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9088\" style=\"object-fit:cover;width:400px;height:225px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Clip-bee-wing-1024x575.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Clip-bee-wing-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Clip-bee-wing-768x431.png 768w, https:\/\/www.eastdevonbk.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Clip-bee-wing.png 1077w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">To clip a queen, remove \u2153 of one wing<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n<script>\nconst scrollToTop = () => {\n\nwindow.scroll({\n    top: 0, \n    left: 0, \n    behavior: 'smooth' \n});\n};\n<\/script>\n<input type=\"button\" value=\"Scroll to top\" onclick=\"scrollToTop()\">","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Stan and Mike\u2019s Cut-out Video + Nick and John\u2019s \u2018To Clip or Not to Clip\u2019 April meeting, held at Kilmington Village Hall. 30+ attendees. 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